Final Vote… Lose 56-44. Lost Warner, picked up Johnson, but no new GOPers. I guess Bush succeeded in convincing enough Republicans that the surge was working and that was enough to continue the policy. The next battle is the $50 billion supplemental — we’ll see if the Dems roll over or play hardball.
Levin just announced that the vote will begin at 5:25PM (EDT).
NOTE: Jim Webb just put a fact sheet into the record regarding his amendment — it is on his website as a pdf file so I thought I would link to it HERE
UPDATE (3:25PM): Now Joe Lieberman (CT-Lieberman) is using the same argument — at least a vote for a deadline or to cut off funds is an honest vote to end the war — this is a backdoor way to undermine Petreaus. He then claims that he admires those who will at least debate it directly — then says that they don’t do that because there isn’t the support in teh chamber for withdrawal. But there is support— just not super-majority support. Joe now says this will force them (the soldiers) into a position where they fail. He says most of the soldiers he talks to are proud of their mission and believe in their mission — he claims they are reenlisting at remarkable number. “Do you really want to burden them and their families in a way we can never make up for? Then go on this path of defeat.” OK this is ridiculous — which is the worse burden I would like to know– having their spouse in Iraq for 15 months and only home for 10, or letting them stay longer in that dangerous theater of battle? The rhetoric of Iraq War supporters is insane in its Soviet-like logic.
UPDATE (3:03PM): Do the Republicans just read off the smae talking points every time? Jim Bunning (R-KY) has a difficult time making sense under normal circumstances, but again he says that this amendment’s intent is to undermine Petreaus. He warns us that it is dangerous to send troops into the field without the resources they need to get the job done — In other words the previous four years of a lack of proper armor for the troops, and less safe vehicles and other resources to protect our troops, were dangerous — oh but those aren’t the kind of resources Bunning was talking about.
UPDATE (2:40PM): Jon Kyl (R-AZ) I think just argued that the U.S. soldiers who train the Iraqi troops need to stay longer and be in the theater more so that they can “fight as one.” Wait — aren’t the Iraqi troops supposed to be trained so they can Stand Up as U.S. troops Stand Down?
After the usual claptrap from Kit Bond (R-MO) who decried that political gamesmanship of the Democrats on this amendment (stating that this is obviously a backdoor way to undermine the military), Jim Webb has taken to the floor to explain the actual training that is needed for individual troops and what they most go through when they return to the USA after being in Iraq and Afghanistan, going month-by-month. One nice aspect to the way Webb debates is that he almost always focuses on facts and rarely rises to general political rhetoric, giving him an air of legitimacy others do not have (on both sides).
